Tuesday, October 17, 2006
11/3 RKtech 830 big bore with four different single pipes. Private test, cameras off I hope this guy gets RK Tech to belly up there is significant positive info in this test session, if RK pays for some of dyno time we may be able to post numbers, very significant.
11/4 F757 big bore trail mod twin Monster pipes for Boondocker tuning., Stock F7 with Bikeman pipe mod and 2 degree key. The monster twins from DD were a handful to dyno tune since they hit so hard at valve opening. See our test results on DTR. But with the larger 757 the transition from valve closed to valve opening was less abrupt, we got good numbers from 5000-8400 rpm. The 757 easily added 10 HP over the stocker we tested earlier on DTR, and was way smoother at valve opening. The Crossfire F7 was bone stock with only a 2deg key and Bikeman stock pipe mod. Also had a D&D pack to drop top end fuel pressure. We dialed in at 153.8 CHP tuned to perfection, these were 20 second runs, hot engine with 87 octane gas. We continue to raise the bar on these engines.
11/6 Mach Z twin, Boondocker tuning, Crankshop twins with crankshop domes. Mike dialed in his bone stock 05 with 07 programming from Jimmy Cooper, made 190 HP on Canada safe setting .70 lb/hphr BSFC, then 200.1 HP on our pump gas, .61 lb/hphr. It will take Mike 5 seconds to switch from Canada safe map to gonzo drag map.
11/6 Got a call from Fred at Lightning Pro, Bob's nightmare turbo kit was sold to someone else, the 48 mm Mikuni was bought elsewhere so the goofed up carb was someone else's issue. Their standard kits come with a smaller turbo, a 48mm carb and Fred is going to try a hood mod to see if they can get instant acceleration instead of a lean-bog hesitation like we got here. That Rajay turbo is now built by turbonetics in CA, the same "suckthru" turbo I ran on my KZ1000/1327 in 1979. Also Fred indicated to me that in lieu of an intercooler their current kits use methanol/ water injection to cool compressed charge and help stave off detonation. Sean Ray and I ran 50/50 methanol water on a XC700 turbo non-intercooled, made 200 HP for 20 seconds on 93 octane pump gas. That will surely work if engineered properly.
11/7 Sean Ray final dyno testing Pol SnoX mods, no cameras Tim Benders' Hentges Racing crew chief Sean Ray's Polaris racers won majority of holeshots, had most HP won some races (Brett Bender swept semipro class). Sean races the dyno, matches acceleration rate, pipe center section ex temp from start to finish and he knows exactly where his HP peak is (to clutch to) every 100 ft.
11/8 D&D Dale Roes & Scooter DynoTech verifying F1000 trail port w/ Ypipe and D&D single on my pump gas, lots of live cameras.Very incredible HP out of single pipe, better than best ported pump gas twin pipe MachZs so far. Will post these results with stock pipe and DD single pipe also compare stock muffler to DD muffler including dB.
11/9 518er Bikeman trail ported F7 Boondocker tuning, also a Hauck trail mod 02 Yam Viper. The Bikeman trailport/ pipe mod was excellent, stock muffler needed Boondocker to add enough fuel to be trail safe at .70 158 CBHP, on lakerace boondocker map made 162 HP ay .58 or therabouts. Hauck Viper big bore 780 was plagued by low MPH, but had aftermarket long travel suspension. We dyno'd at 166 HP very solid, broad HP curve on top with Simons pipes. If sled is slow, it's not from lack of engine HP. That long travel supension might ride cushy, but must suck up serious HP.
11/10 Ed Sedlmeier dyno tuning his sons' Polaris SnoX mod sleds, probably cameras off unless he doesn't notice them on.
11/11 Sat AM Rich Hoag, Firecat Sherlock F8, SLP twin pipes for Boondocker tuning SLP twin pipes that Rich had were too tight for this engine, made good HP on quick dyno tests but lost HP on longer 15 second runs. Made best overall long run HP with single pipe (tested Bikeman pipe mod and Bikeman fatazz stamped pipe with D&D ypipe almost identical). By going back to single pipe Rich was able to run with his stock fat 04 ECU with D&D pac to choke top end fuel flow to optimum, plenty for 160 plus on pump gas, the Boondocker necessary for twins can be sold to someone else.
11/13 Rod Rimco two trail mod F7s for Boondocker tuning, pipe testing Rod only brought one, F8 built out of stock cyls by Best Performance a small shop in Mercer PA. This is the highest single pipe F8 we've dyno'd over 170 HP for 20 seconds on pump gas. Some guys are sick of seeing so much Firecat stuff but this was exceptional and deserves a page on DTR. The Bikeman stamped Fatazz pipe worked dandily.
11/14 HTG Rob Schooping brought Danny Marsh's F1000 to dyno after Rob had ported/ cranked up compression fitted with Boondocker. Cameras were off . Only had stock pipe made over 200 after Boondockering. Incredible again. I will post a short CatFest article with the BM F7, Best Performance F8 and HTG ported F1000.
11/16 Jerome Pinkston I didn't write down what he's bringing to tune. did not arrive as scheduled
11/18 David Patrick F7 w/ ENGINE TECH porting Bikeman pipe mod, watch on dynocams for close to 160 HP on 87 octane gas. not Bikeman porting, a company called Engine Tech in Canada, stock head made 161 and change with Bikeman pipe mod, need to compare to Bikeman ported F7 tested last week, looks close.
11/20 Jeff Gorski, HTG ported F7 pump gas Jeff's F7, stock compression and 2.5 deg key made 157, I think crossfire fuel flow is higher that Firecat, and maybe timing is relaxed as well. Boondocker tweeked fuel to perfection. But still Jeff will be happy with 152 HP on UpNord map (10/1 A/F ratio) and drag-your-pals map at 12/1 with 157 HP. Hes's contemplating a .015 swipe on the head sealing surface, surely take him over 160 but I'm hoping he will ride it first, this is still big big HP on pump gas.
11/21 AM Art Andre tuning Supercharged Apex PM Damien bringing MachZ Bikeman 1100.Art's bone stock Attak made 240 plus with good gas, but fuel pump capacity is lacking. I posted his numbers on DTR, should upgrade to Boondocker controoler, may be back to map Boondocker with higher capacity pump. Art's son Damien blasted n2o on his1100 Mach Z but he also is limited by stock fuel flow of fuel pump/ injectors. I recall we got 150 lb/hr on Billy Howard's Mountain Mach, but Damien's Mach Z was tapped out at 140 lb/hr fuel flow so he must go easy on his nitrous nozzle sizing of his Boondocker n2o ki.
11/22 Dales Roes and Scooter dyno test 07 F8 trailport with stock Y D&D Y, stock pipe and D&D single pipe. made 120+ lb/ft and 178+ HP on 87 octane for 20 seconds, tested with D&D Ypipe stock pipe, stock Y pipe and stock pipe will post details on DTR shortly.
11/24 [Justin Fuller (former Bender engine tech) Now Full Power Perfomance dyno tuning 200 HP SRX mod he built, with Boss Noss N2O (I think Justin is also taking over Bender's Turbo business.) Moving to 12/1 to test
PM Eric and Tom from Tom's RV repair, another of Tom's F8s this one with D&D Monster twins for Boondockering. Tom has moved to Lake Placid, now his business is Performance Engine, this was Eric's Shootout Sled from last year (had fueling difficulties there), this time he was several HP higher 174 and same torque 113 as last year with less timing and less compression. Also we found a nasty midrange 15-1 spot that was biting Eric's piston(s) last year at part throttle, we spent an extra hour tweaking Boondocker low settings in midrange 5000-7500 trail cruising to convert 15-1s to 12-1s.
11/24 AM more RKTek 827 stuff to test, pipes, more radical porting, all in AM before Tom Arrives. Both engines were 170 plus on 93 octane with hot stock single pipe. That's three in a row dandy 827 engines from RKTek.
11/28 two firecats, one F7 one F6 from Canada don't know if cameras will be on or off! even some of the 500 ft drag ECUs can benefit from dyno tuning--we dropped fuel pressure at high revs on one on the bone stock drag sleds, picked up about three HP...
11/29 10am SkiDoo 860 twin big bore, single pipe possible shootout Trail Mod contender. CJ Powersports in Boonville NY created this dandy trail mod, Dynoport single with stock muffler and 12/1 A/F ratio was well over 170 HP. Refused to lean it down any more than that.
11/30 Gene Hurin and Rob Schooping coming with three sleds: Gene's ProStock1000 and Trail mod 1200, and Rob's single pipe IQ Shootout Trail Mod entry.
December 2-10 all SnowWeek DTR Shootout stuff, planning to dyno Shoootout sleds Mon Tues Wed, planning to go to D&D's open-house in Loweville Thursday. Shootout Friday. Hope for snow.
Wednesday, October 04, 2006
10/1 Another solid mounted race engine was giving the sled owner fits (wouldn't pull expected revs in 500 ft), and it similarly gave us fits on the dyno. Fuel flow was all over the place, indicating that the carbs were suffering from high frequency vibes that caused foaming and shutting off the flow of fuel into the carbs. I think that when the fuel in the bowl turns into a milkshake, the floats jam against the needle and seats, then the liquid gas in the bowls gets sucked out, foam subsides and another surge of fuel enters the carbs. I believe this engine will make 10 more HP with rubber mounts (since it leaned to death at high revs regardless of jet size), hopefully we'll get a chance to see that happen.
10/10-10/12 private pro racer tuning cameras off.
10/13 ZR600 EFI w/ D&D single pipe 720 big bore, several pipes/ chips Dave and his dad drove from Detroit last Thursday evening, hit that monster snowstorm at the border but made it to Batavia luckily had reservation at Super8. I met them here at the dyno Fri AM but we had no electric power to run computers, dyno, 7.5hp air blower, 3 phase hydraulic table lift. So they left sled here, turned around and drove back to Detroit. Got our electricity back Fri PM, so I set it up on the dyno (EFI w/ bypass regulator on rail, lots of hoses to meter fuel).
Dave had complained about poor sled performance (that's why he came here), and that showed on the dyno as coolant inside engine became extremely hot during 8-14 second runs (est 150 deg F plus). HP was in the low 120s and torque about 80 lb/ft. I removed thermostat and coolant temp dropped 25% and HP jumped to nearly 130 and torque to 84-85 lb/ft. That increase is probably a combo of higher airflow with cooler cylinders, and the ECU seeing high temps and pulling timing (fuel flow was similar on hot and cool engine). Dave may have had defective Tstat or it was resticting coolant flow. I don't know about water pump volume/ cooling system capacity on ZR600. But if they're designed to just cool a 100 HP engine and were adding 30% HP (and heat) with the D&D 720 then we could have a problem in the field with hot coolant and low HP. So Dave will install a coolant temp gauge and if it runs much above 120 F he will benefit from additional heat exchangers.
Dave's coming back Wed to pick up sled.
*******After Dave got home with his stack of dyno sheets and graphs, he posted on Hardcore Sledder that he was pleased to have found the problem with his sled at DTR, Jim treated him right, etc. Dave called me to ask why his post was deleted moments later! My pal Commie Censor Rob is at it again because he's seemingly banned the words "DynoTech" from HCS for my being an ex-advertiser for being late on my ad payment. But what if Dave was not pleased with his experience here, and posted a bad review of DTR on HCS? I'll bet it would still be there. Are the names of any other non-advertiser tuners or companies deleted from posts on HCS? I am singled out because I WAS an advertiser there for two years, now I'm being punished for being an ex-advertiser. By being blacklisted by HCS I am surely being made an example of for his other Banner-advertizers. So the bottom line is anyone who desires to discuss anything I do here either dyno-testing or publishing on the website had better do it on ANY other sled website, all of whom are DTR-friendly whether I have a banner-ad or not. And if you Cat people desire to see what Cat stuff I have going and wish to observe and/or interact, it's best done on ArcticChat.********
10/19 Fusion 900 with custom turbo system, also an XCR triple mod for tuning. Mark's turbo Fusion has given him fits. No problem tuning boosted Boodocker box, perfect 11/1 A/F ratio but low HP, low airflow, low boost on what looks like a perfect model 53 Aerocharger. This is second time to dyno with similar results, since last session had HTG do turbo porting (similar to what he did on Greg Bennets 300+ HP XC big bore model 66 twin) but still no HP. Will try a different ECU in the field, if that helps he may be back. Al's XCR SLP trailport SLP pipes tuned in nicely with Holtzman variflow valve. That was my first experience with them, worked great, could tune from 171 HP .70+ lb/hphr leaned down gradually to 185 HP .60 by just tweaking variflow, now has EGT numbers to help him field tune from rich to lean.
10/24 AM Doo 830 RKtech twin for tuning and a bunch of pipes to test.Had wrong date, was supposed to be thursday 26th but we're still waiting for a few more things to test, maybe later this month.
1 PM Firecat F7 Bikeman trail port BM pipe mod, maybe will need Boondocker (have some on the shelf). Jake lucked out today--his 04 ECU was one of the fat ones, higher fuel flow lb/hr than most 04s. So instead of having to buy a Boondocker from me to add fuel, he only had to choke down top end fuel pressure. The higher flowing bikeman cylinders stock bore with 106 lb/hr fuel flow gave jake 154+ HP, choking fuel pressure down to give him 100 lb/hr made 158+ HP and adding a D&D Ypipe gave him nearly 160 HP. This was on Jake's 93 octane pump gas, 17 seconds at WOT on hot engine.
10/30 Apex w/ NA trail mods from SD, private test cams off. Lots of interesting fine tuning stuff, cheap moderate but significant NA 4 stroke HP upgrades, maybe sled owner will decide to share results on DTR.
.10/31 10 AM---- RX1 with CPR turbo engine/ Lightning pro turbo kit (draw-through single Mikuni flatslide). Will also blow N2O on top of turbo. this session began negatively, engine would start spit misfire run on one cylinder then get enough cylinders to fire to drive the sled off the trailer, then it died. Restart attempts were futeless, installed frash plugs then it fired up then seemingly drowned in fuel again. Sage and I put the dead critter on our wheeled autopsy table--we managed to muscle the heavyweight modster onto the dyno table. I've watched Sean Ray correct many turbo Harleys on our Superflow Cycledyne eddy current rear wheel dyno. First thin he does on troublesome bikes is rip the carb off and check that out. On most turbo Harleys the trouble lies within the carb.
Sage and I pulled the Mikuni HS48 [H-D design] flatslide carb supposedly as delivered by Lighting pro. When Aerodyne was installing HS42 Mikunis on the early HD hits (we did over 1000 of those), and I am very familiar with them.
We dissected the HS48 and found that the float level was too low, preventing the 2.4mm needle and seat from shutting off fuel flow with 4 psi fuel pump pressure. This was apparently causing gas to overflow the carb and fill the bottom of the turbo compressor housing. So every time Sage tried to start this beast it would slug a shotglass full of fuel from the bottom of the huge Turbonetics compressor into the engine, into the cylinders drowning most of the plugs. If one cylinder could keep firing, it could eventually clean out two or more of the flooded cylinders and get running. This was surely not impressive in the pit staging area.
Afterdissection, we discovered that the HS48, as deliverd with the Lightning Pro kit had float level hopelessly uncorrect, could not shut off fuel pump pressure. All we did was set it to factory spec at 20mm and for the first time the engine could start, idle cleanly with no loading and stalling. Time for a preliminary dyno run.
I had Sage drop the boost from 22 psi where they were running to what would be 12 psi. With float level correct, it ran clean at part throttle, we loaded the engine on the dyno, and when oil temp and water temp was optimum we began our first 7 second dyno test. Even with Mikuni's LARGEST main jet 240 by 8500 we were leaned out to 14.8 and rising [bad] so we aborted test.
Sage and I had an old pal Don Frasier visiting us after his byannual prostate exam. He was exhibiting some misforgivings since, as Don indicated, during the very long exam period the Doctor had both hands on Don's shoulders.
Don suggested that since we were frighteningly lean with the largest main jet, lets take it out. Great idea.
So with the 240 main removed from the needle jet, we blasted again at 12 psi. This time we added gobs of HP and instead of 14.8 A/F ratio we had 12.4. Dandy and good HP. Thank you Don.
Next we bumped the boost up gradually to just over 20 psi where the engine made nearly 300 HP. A/F ratio remained at a dandy 12.4/1.
Sage tweaked the boost controller on the Turbonetics turbo (an oversize copy of the RayJay 370F40 turbo I ran on my 1977 Kawasaki KZ1000 thirty years ago) and on that next run our live dyno test graph virtually copied the previous run until 9500 where HP dropped like a rock and we aborted the test [real time graphs are extreme engine savers!].
That drop in HP on the real time graph was accompanied by a cloud of steam out the breather vent. This was surely at least temporarily terminal.
Day two, we engaged former Bender Racing engine/turbo/ dyno guru now independant Bender Turbo guy Justin Fuller to repair what we hoped was a blowen[d] headgasket.
Justin Came to the dyno day two with a set of gaskets--on any mod engine a stock headgasket is a perfect failsafe device--going into severe detonation will destroy ANY engine, and a popped headgasket is the cheapest failsafe device to fix.
But in this case, the engine was fitted with very rigid oversize cylinder studs that would try to maintain head gasket integrity even during the ravages of detonation.
But the forces of deto are surely like the 8000 lb Gorilla--unyielding studs create incredible cylinder to head sealing forces, so deto will instead either knock piston domes into the crankcase or yank stud threads out of the crankcase! Something must give.
So it appears after Justin's autopsy that one monster stud was loose (surely pulled loose from the crankcase threads from deto) and the headgasket had blown between cyls two and three.
There is evidence of extended deto on pistons and cylinder bores--piston domes distorted, squeezing ring lands tight but opening ring end gaps, plus cylinder bore distortion (number three was .006 out of round!).
This drag sled needs a new block, new pistons, and there is an unusual added friction in rotating the crankshaft that may add to the cost of ressurection.
The bottom line in my opinion is that if this Mikuni HS 48 carb did, indeed come with the Lightning Pro kit it was inadvertantly tuned to destroy. The tiny needle jet hood only intrudes into the massive 48mm carb bore by maybe 3/16" where there is so little airflow that signal at needle je ontlet is not strong enough to deliver adequate fuel flow. How often have you heard of leaving a main jet completely out of the carb and getting perfect 12.4/1 A/F ratio? That stock biggest possible 240 main jet delivered 15/1 death A/F ratio with 4 psi of fuel pressure.
Then Sage relayed to me that on the first field test run, with original 240 jet the boost controller created 29 psi boost [at probably 15/1 A/F ratio]. After that test they dropped boost to 22 psi. So with no intercooler, and the leanest possible A/F ratio Justin and I believe the major damage was done on field test 1. That surely would have deto'd the engine, perhaps begun pulling the middle stud, distorted pison domes/ ring lands and set up the damage that would manifest itself here as being terminal.
I'm hoping that the owner of this sled will repair it (new block, pistons, etc) and bring it back here for proper tuning before it hits the grass or ice.
The stock Mikuni HS 48 carb is useless in delivering safe A/F ratio in this application. They seem to work well on big inch Harley (this carb's intended application) where incredible multiple carburetion from reversion enrichens mixture to a safe level. Just like on piston port two cycle sled engines, big cammed big inch HD's have a cloud of fuel vapor hovering outside the carb at WOT--every time air goes in then back out the venturi then back in again it picks up more fuel! But with this suck-trough turbo, the air only goes in, no reversion to help enrichen mixture. I have a plan to copy Joe DiSpiritos tall hood mods he created for SkiDoo carbs many years ago. This hood will be JBwelded to the stock needle jet top, increase signal and hopefully draw fuel from the float bowl as quickly as needed, not one second later.
If that doesn't work, I will recommend (and almost guarantee) that a single Lectron 48 will do fine in this application. On second thought, a suck-through turbo might not be a good application for a big Lectron--I had a set of 40mm Lectrons on a big block GS1394cc Suzuki back in the mid 80s that were horrible only because when you rolled off throttle to shift, the slides stuck shut and it was all but impossible to reopen them. Unless the new Lectrons have improved their flatslides' friction, that "stiction" could be a problem with a turbo. The HS series Mikunis have rollers behind the slides to eliminate that.
I truly hope that this sled will be back so we can fine tune before the next 500 ft field or lake blast.